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		<title>By: Joshua Dorkin @ BiggerPockets.com</title>
		<link>http://www.webuildpages.com/blog/social-media/the-end-of-fake-avatars/comment-page-1/#comment-957</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Dorkin @ BiggerPockets.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 20:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who runs a real estate social network (BiggerPockets.com), this is an extremely important discussion.  We frequently have people come on to our site, purporting to be people that they are not, in an effort to promote a business, course, or website.  Is that okay?  Doing this is extremely manipulative and can in one full sweep, alter the online image of a company.

Think of all the review sites out there . . . I&#039;ve worked with several companies who&#039;ve had angry people create multiple identities in an effort to do a bad review on one company.  One bad review on a restaurant and I start looking the other way. What about this?

Something must be done here, but I&#039;m just not sure what exactly that is.  

BTW - When we determine that someone who has written some kind of testimonial about a company is in fact a representative of that company, we 1) call them out 2) ask that they come clean 3) remove them from the site if they fail to do so.  In almost every occasion, they have come clean and end up looking like jerks - that&#039;s the price you pay, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who runs a real estate social network (BiggerPockets.com), this is an extremely important discussion.  We frequently have people come on to our site, purporting to be people that they are not, in an effort to promote a business, course, or website.  Is that okay?  Doing this is extremely manipulative and can in one full sweep, alter the online image of a company.</p>
<p>Think of all the review sites out there . . . I&#8217;ve worked with several companies who&#8217;ve had angry people create multiple identities in an effort to do a bad review on one company.  One bad review on a restaurant and I start looking the other way. What about this?</p>
<p>Something must be done here, but I&#8217;m just not sure what exactly that is.  </p>
<p>BTW &#8211; When we determine that someone who has written some kind of testimonial about a company is in fact a representative of that company, we 1) call them out 2) ask that they come clean 3) remove them from the site if they fail to do so.  In almost every occasion, they have come clean and end up looking like jerks &#8211; that&#8217;s the price you pay, right?</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that taking away the avatars will really help anyone.  I don&#039;t mind having an avatar.  In fact I think that is half of the fun being on the internet.  You have the ability to be someone else that you aren&#039;t outside of the internet.  I think avatars help give a face to what you would want to look like.

I agree with you completely, however about using your secret identity to cause harm to someone.  Why would you do such a thing, I don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that taking away the avatars will really help anyone.  I don&#8217;t mind having an avatar.  In fact I think that is half of the fun being on the internet.  You have the ability to be someone else that you aren&#8217;t outside of the internet.  I think avatars help give a face to what you would want to look like.</p>
<p>I agree with you completely, however about using your secret identity to cause harm to someone.  Why would you do such a thing, I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Barone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Barone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maurice: I really wasn&#039;t trying to take away from the severity of this situation and all. And I don&#039;t see this post as &quot;link bait&quot;. Instead, my goal was to open a discussion about something that I think really does affect this community. I&#039;ve long been passionate about my distaste for fake avatars and the deception that sometimes plays into social media. This post was intended as a forum to again revisit that situation. If you took it a different way, we apologize for that but it was never my intention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maurice: I really wasn&#8217;t trying to take away from the severity of this situation and all. And I don&#8217;t see this post as &#8220;link bait&#8221;. Instead, my goal was to open a discussion about something that I think really does affect this community. I&#8217;ve long been passionate about my distaste for fake avatars and the deception that sometimes plays into social media. This post was intended as a forum to again revisit that situation. If you took it a different way, we apologize for that but it was never my intention.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie Cushing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie Cushing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Maurice, I think the discussion is relevant to this blog b/c of the involvement of social media in the crime, as well as the resulting ruling. The Baby P disaster involved neither of these elements. 

So, if I&#039;m interpreting your comment correctly, I think your concern of WBP using this tragedy as link bait is a bit unfounded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Maurice, I think the discussion is relevant to this blog b/c of the involvement of social media in the crime, as well as the resulting ruling. The Baby P disaster involved neither of these elements. </p>
<p>So, if I&#8217;m interpreting your comment correctly, I think your concern of WBP using this tragedy as link bait is a bit unfounded.</p>
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		<title>By: karalynia</title>
		<link>http://www.webuildpages.com/blog/social-media/the-end-of-fake-avatars/comment-page-1/#comment-842</link>
		<dc:creator>karalynia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think punishment is necessary for harassment.</description>
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		<title>By: karalynia</title>
		<link>http://www.webuildpages.com/blog/social-media/the-end-of-fake-avatars/comment-page-1/#comment-841</link>
		<dc:creator>karalynia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think punish is necessary to harassment.</description>
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		<title>By: Maurice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maurice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Politicians make law Judges interpret it – and don’t you think that using a tragedy like this is in poor taste  – I would not do a similar post using baby P as link bait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Politicians make law Judges interpret it – and don’t you think that using a tragedy like this is in poor taste  – I would not do a similar post using baby P as link bait.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it&#039;s really a very, very sad story.  But when looking at the facts 2 things are obvious.  We have one very sick lady (with way too much time on her hands) and one very sad little girl.

In any setting at any time this is a bad combo.

It wasn&#039;t the use of a fake identity that was the problem.  It wasn&#039;t the use of an avatar that was the problem.  It was the bad combination.

I wonder how much of the blame could be transferred to the parents here?  Would you let your child hang out with the bad elements of society?  Would you allow them free reign where ever they went?  Would you at least try to arm them with some sort of sense of reality (the dangers lurking anywhere and sadly everywhere).

MySpace wasn&#039;t the problem here.  It&#039;s easy to blame a tool or the system for the bad apples in society.  But when are we going to simply shift the blame to those that deserve it.  Lori Drew has been taken to task.  Harassment was her crime really, the effects of that... well tragic.

Personally I don&#039;t have a problem with fake avatars/personalities.  But I do not and could never offer them a fraction of trust that a &quot;real&quot; personality could gain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it&#8217;s really a very, very sad story.  But when looking at the facts 2 things are obvious.  We have one very sick lady (with way too much time on her hands) and one very sad little girl.</p>
<p>In any setting at any time this is a bad combo.</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t the use of a fake identity that was the problem.  It wasn&#8217;t the use of an avatar that was the problem.  It was the bad combination.</p>
<p>I wonder how much of the blame could be transferred to the parents here?  Would you let your child hang out with the bad elements of society?  Would you allow them free reign where ever they went?  Would you at least try to arm them with some sort of sense of reality (the dangers lurking anywhere and sadly everywhere).</p>
<p>MySpace wasn&#8217;t the problem here.  It&#8217;s easy to blame a tool or the system for the bad apples in society.  But when are we going to simply shift the blame to those that deserve it.  Lori Drew has been taken to task.  Harassment was her crime really, the effects of that&#8230; well tragic.</p>
<p>Personally I don&#8217;t have a problem with fake avatars/personalities.  But I do not and could never offer them a fraction of trust that a &#8220;real&#8221; personality could gain.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did have a lengthy and well thought out response prepared, based around the point that the &quot;guns don&#039;t kill people, people with guns kill people&quot; argument isn&#039;t really an appropriate comparison to use here, but that may be because I&#039;m British and as such have always struggled to understand the logic behing America&#039;s gun laws and I wouldn&#039;t want to de-rail the discussion here with that.

I would be interested to hear Sarah Bird from SEOmoz&#039;s legal opinion on how this might effect certain online marketers&#039; methods.

In the UK there is already legislation banning the use of false identities to promote products and while it doesn&#039;t deal with tragedies such as this girl&#039;s death, it would seem to point the way to a happy median far laws governing online representations.

On a side note I&#039;m happy to use my real name for my online presence, but use a costume for my avatar pictures on my profiles (sorry to burst the bubble for anyone who thought I actually was a giant chicken).  Much like QualityGal, I wonder where the line would have to be drawn and whether an online identity register as the result of US decision to introduce some kind of Megan&#039;s Law, would try to expand to require registration from users outside the US who wish to use American based website.  How do you draw juridictional lines on the world wide web?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did have a lengthy and well thought out response prepared, based around the point that the &#8220;guns don&#8217;t kill people, people with guns kill people&#8221; argument isn&#8217;t really an appropriate comparison to use here, but that may be because I&#8217;m British and as such have always struggled to understand the logic behing America&#8217;s gun laws and I wouldn&#8217;t want to de-rail the discussion here with that.</p>
<p>I would be interested to hear Sarah Bird from SEOmoz&#8217;s legal opinion on how this might effect certain online marketers&#8217; methods.</p>
<p>In the UK there is already legislation banning the use of false identities to promote products and while it doesn&#8217;t deal with tragedies such as this girl&#8217;s death, it would seem to point the way to a happy median far laws governing online representations.</p>
<p>On a side note I&#8217;m happy to use my real name for my online presence, but use a costume for my avatar pictures on my profiles (sorry to burst the bubble for anyone who thought I actually was a giant chicken).  Much like QualityGal, I wonder where the line would have to be drawn and whether an online identity register as the result of US decision to introduce some kind of Megan&#8217;s Law, would try to expand to require registration from users outside the US who wish to use American based website.  How do you draw juridictional lines on the world wide web?</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Krause Berg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim Krause Berg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having just launched a new website in which all the writing is done by people using pen names, I&#039;m finding this interesting.  In the birthing days of the Internet, nearly everyone used a fake ID rather than their real names. It was a time of caution and getting used to the medium.  And, nobody trusted it.  Today, when there&#039;s clearly more reason to not trust the Internet, more people are using their real names and throwing out their personal info.

I think using fake avatars and pen names is fine when this is made known up front.  It&#039;s when the motive is deception that the problem arises.  When the motive is purposeful pain and suffering to another person, then all bets are off and I have no problem with there being laws in place to protect people from being victimized.  I don&#039;t, however, believe one mass swoop of laws making fake IDs a felony solves any problems. I can&#039;t stand it when the whole class is punished for something one stupid person does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having just launched a new website in which all the writing is done by people using pen names, I&#8217;m finding this interesting.  In the birthing days of the Internet, nearly everyone used a fake ID rather than their real names. It was a time of caution and getting used to the medium.  And, nobody trusted it.  Today, when there&#8217;s clearly more reason to not trust the Internet, more people are using their real names and throwing out their personal info.</p>
<p>I think using fake avatars and pen names is fine when this is made known up front.  It&#8217;s when the motive is deception that the problem arises.  When the motive is purposeful pain and suffering to another person, then all bets are off and I have no problem with there being laws in place to protect people from being victimized.  I don&#8217;t, however, believe one mass swoop of laws making fake IDs a felony solves any problems. I can&#8217;t stand it when the whole class is punished for something one stupid person does.</p>
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